Simon and Martina you can fuck off
I don’t know what it is but lately they are pissing me off like no other. So much so that I had to let it out somewhere. I think their dumbass tumblr argument didn’t help. They said some stupid shit on their Trouble Maker video and someone did a brilliant post calling them out on it in a perfectly polite way. Well they responded with:
We don’t mind it when people disagree with our opinion, but we do mind when people say that we’re racist, classist, sexist, and misogynistic, based off of misconstruing what we’ve said into something completely false, and attempting to interpret our secret or unspoken intentions. We can’t address every single issue in this massive tirade, but we’ll address the ones that upset us the most:
Funny story, but not so funny story. You just made us $20 off that comment. A friend of ours (who is also a YouTuber) argued that no one cares about the tags and that putting them in is a waste of time. We bet him $20 that people do notice the tags and that they’re actually a big deal. So he told us to put in an outrageous tag and see if people noticed. People noticed in under 12 hours, so we changed the tag back to “Hyuna 4Minute”. What we didn’t expect was that the one tag would cause more controversy than the 10 minute video. And that’s the reason for the tag. Kind of lame huh?
2. “Oh, don’t think I didn’t notice your quick “Super ghetto old spy gear” description in the corner, guys. Must we go into the racialized, classist elements of such a comment and derogatory usage of the term “ghetto” or can ya’ll figure that shit out yourself?”
Are you calling us racist for calling something cheap looking? Are you serious? Has the word ghetto changed in some way since we last used it? Maybe it’s just a Canadian thing. Growing up, if something was broken or cheap, it was called ghetto, by people of all races, not just white people. Like “that car is so ghetto”, as in, the adjective ghetto, not the noun. The connotations you’ve pushed upon this are overwhelmingly ridiculous.
You’re so very, very wrong on our “Real Focus.” We’re not focusing on her for DARING to be sexy; we’re focusing on her TRYING to be sexy. Very big difference which just about renders the rest of your argument invalid. To us, her sexiness looks unnatural, forced, and silly. To you, it might look natural, fierce, and hot. And it’s okay if you think that. But in our personal opinion, she’s not good at it.
Hyuna, to us, is not sexy. Hyuna trying to be sexy looks silly. Is that slut shaming? Must every woman attempting to be sexy in Korea be heralded as Kpop’s savior from patriarchy? What if we were to say “Good for you, Hyuna, for trying to be sexy and bucking the system. But you suck at it”? Will that make you feel better, or does acting sexy give you immunity from people’s criticism?
There’s nothing “wrong” with being sexual in videos, which is why we mentioned that we have no qualms with the Brown Eyed Girls’ video for “Sixth Sense”. Good job at overlooking that point, by the way. We also mentioned in our review of Bubble Pop how we like Hyori’s version of sexiness, but not Hyuna’s. You didn’t mention that point, either. You also excluded our point on men looking silly when Jacob and Taeyang constantly have their shirts off. But including that point wouldn’t fit your argument. And – big one here – you also forgot to mention that we specifically said that we’re not against sexiness in videos.
Seems like you overlooked a lot of our points. How about when we said that her role in the video doesn’t reflect her personality anymore than an actor’s does outside of a movie? Taking stuff out of context is a great way to win an argument, isn’t it?
You really like the word “slut-shaming” and tried to fit us into your argument, while throwing away every detail that contradicted your argument. The next time you disagree with us, we’d appreciate if you’d:
4. “What do you MEAN each time you say “What Hyuna’s doing ‘takes away’ from…” FROM WHAT? The stark intellectual insight, artistic integrity, unique introspective viewpoint, and emotional depth that is usually the forefront of K-pop? […] It just so happens that with “Troublemaker”, they decided to get more in-your-face about the sex. WHICH THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH. Sit your ass down and learn a bit about what you claim to know fucking much about. Kpop is pretty much mindless, vapid aesthetics all based on profits, appeal, and trends. Don’t sit there and act like Hyuna is “ruining” anything.”
You might not appreciate kpop for the qualities you say that it lacks, but we appreciate and analyze Kpop videos for everything they are trying to express. We respect kpop idols because they can sing and dance, and they’re really freaking good at it.
So, what does Hyuna “take away” from? As an actress in this video, her acting was terrible. As a dancer? Bending over and sticking your hand between your thighs, crawling on the ground, violent pelvic thrusting has been done before…by Hyuna herself. It’s boring, unimaginative, repetitive, and lazy on the choreographer’s behalf.
Hyuna’s blasé dancing role takes away from what we viewed as an important quality in Kpop. I’ll look at how BoA dances and think “holy shit, that’s amazing,” or Beyonce’s pelvic thrusting in “Single Ladies” and think “Damn! That’s so fierce and confident!”, while I look at Hyuna’s moves and see nothing impressive about them. They seem hollow, forced, and unconvincing. You might find Hyuna’s dance moves fierce and confident, but we do not.
As of late, Hyuna sucks at dancing, sucks at being sexy, and we find her roles silly and forced and unnatural, while we don’t have those complaints with other people who we think do a better, more convincing job of it. Us saying “Hyuna, you look silly at trying to be sexy” does not equal “Hyuna, you’re a bad person for being sexy.”
This is the douchiest thing ever. This was a well thought out, well written post that wasn’t flaming them or anything. I also heard that they blocked people who disagreed with them. Wow how childish is that?
1. Funny thing but justifying your actions through a bet makes you a fucking dumbass. “LOL YOU GUYS FELL FOR IT, IT WAS A BET!!!! YOU JUST HELPED US WIN MONIEZ!!!” Real fucking mature. I don’t even see how that has anything to do with it besides some shitty deflection. It doesn’t take away from the fact that you still did it. Just admit you were wrong and move on.
2. lt’s not a Canadian thing. It’s a racist thing. Bitch please, don’t normalize a terrible behaviour by saying that everyone does it where you are from a place. Don’t throw me under a bus for your actions. I don’t think you meant it in a bad way but it was you excusing it that offended me the most. Just admit you were wrong and move on.
99.9% of Kpop is tryhard and overly seductive. That’s the idea. I don’t understand how you can hate try-hard people when you are probably the biggest pair I’ve ever seen. Who in Kpop isn’t terribly try-hard? Practically no one. Every idol is playing a role and pretending they are confident and happy so you can get pleasure from them. People want escapism. They don’t want reality. Boa is probably dead inside and looking fierce to please you. It’s no different than Hyuna being sexy, it just comes down to what you prefer and you shouldn’t slut shame Hyuna for that. As well it was more so the way you said it.
4. “We respect kpop idols because they can sing and dance, and they’re really freaking good at it.”
Because Chansung and Kwanghaeng and Sohee are the Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey and Celine Dion of our generation.
Gosh look at what a skilled dancer Rain is. I’m really focusing on his beautiful dancing skills.
Okay yes Kpop does have talented artists. That’s not what it’s about. If it were Fluxus artists would be super popular because they are all flawless beings. Plus companies certainly wouldn’t have all of these good looking useless people in groups. The sad reality is the hot members are the popular ones and the cave trolls are shoved in the back to make the mr removeds sound decent. As long as the artists can lip synch and get the dancing moves somewhat right no one cares. It’s all about their looks and charms. Do you ever see talent tumblrs? No bitch you see sexy kpop porn tumblrs. My tlist always talks about wanting to fuck/marry someone rather than their talent as well. Can you really say TOP’s amazing dance skills are why you like him, Martina?
It’s okay. There’s nothing wrong with idols just being hot. It doesn’t make them less of a person if they can’t sing or dance. After all they have the gift of beauty which not everyone can have so that’s something to be praised as well.
Ugh there goes the little bit of respect I had for you.
I don’t understand how people genuinely enjoy their videos for what they are. They can be somewhat amusing sometimes but to be in love with them and stan Simon and Martina? No. Especially nowadays. What is there to like? Every video is the same.
A Simon and Martina video:
Simon acts sexy.
However because he is a normal dude and not Jinwoon or something it’s supposed to be funny I guess. Is this not tryhard? Am I missing something?
They want to be Korean and dress up as them constantly.
Something just rubs me so wrong about this. I don’t know it just seems like an excuse for Martina to use her aegyo or some shit.
They torture their dog.
Although the greater crime is Spudgy being forced to live with them 24/7 they really need to stop with the Spudgy thing. He’s cute but move on. I’m not opposed to them showing Spudgy but you don’t need him to dance to every song or whatever.
Martina tries to be cute but ends up being an annoying tryhard dumbass.
They should take their own advice. It’s like they say, if you are try hard you should stop. So she should leave the cuteness to people who suit it. She looks ridiculous(ANYONE WHO IS NOT AN IDOL PRETTY MUCH WOULD AND MOST IDOLS FUCK IT UP TOO)trying to be cute. It’s not her faces so much as the cute voice. I want to repeatedly punch her. STOP. She isn’t 5 and she takes it way too far and constantly does it.
Some joke about Mordney Present.
Pretty much the only funny thing they did and then they forced memed it to hell.
This also bothers me:
The stupid abbreviations.
I like wordplay. I think abbreviations can be fun. But not every fucking second and try hard ones like FART and WANK. How old are they? Then again their 10 year old fanbase probably thinks that’s funny.
Martina is the Matt Stone(sorry Matt) to Simon’s Trey Parker.
Trust me if anything funny ever happens (which chances are it’s pretty low, Family Guy has a higher chance to entertain) it’s always from Simon. She’s essentially useless. The only reason she needs to exist is so Simon has someone to play of off and anyone could do that. I find sometimes Simon amusing but Martina is never and therefore wasting my time.
WANK is such a fail.
When I first heard about this I was shocked. WTF became boring after the first 3 or so episodes. They were actually realizing that it sucked and were going to actually go explore Korea? As a Koreaboo this is what I was waiting for the whole time. When they quit their jobs as teachers to solely work on YouTube videos(I assume this is what happened if it is good for them but they probably shouldn’t bites the hand that feeds you if that’s the case)I found they were out of touch with Korea in a way.
So this was a great chance to go exploring in Korea and educate people about what Korea has to offer, right? Nope. What they do instead is find some Engrish, find a Kpop star on a sign and do a stupid challenge which they could have done inside their house anyway defeating the point of going out.
I don’t know man. Why couldn’t they just explore Korea without making it into some kind of quirky place where there’s Engrish and Kpop idols!!! There’s nothing wrong with saying that goes on in Korea but that’s not the only thing that happens there and it seems like all they want to do is show us how weird Korea is. Why not show us great places to go and give us some history about the area instead? Would that be so hard?It seems like they have no connection to Korea. Like they could be in Canada and I wouldn’t really know the difference. I think it would be great to go around and talk to locals but I don’t even know if they know enough Korean to do that. See it’s kind of pointless. If they don’t make some effort to connect then like I said there’s no point in them being there and doing WANK.
If by chance you ever read this I don’t hate you or anything I am just mad. I think that you should try to grow up a bit. Okay I know I’m not perfect either but it’s the effort that counts. You can’t grow as a person if you if you don’t want to. Being wrong isn’t a bad thing, it just happens. Humans do make mistakes. We learn as we go. If you do just live off of Youtube you should try to be nicer to your fans because it could all go away if you take it for granted. People can get sick of you and blocking them for trying to help you isn’t the best way to help your fanbase grow, you know? Be nice to those who are considerate enough to look at your videos. Be happy and thankful they take the time to do so because they like what you do.
Oh and fix your logo. That shit’s not cute. I get what you were going for but the E looks more fucked up and less cute. It’s too deformed as it is.